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Winterclaw · Jul 14, 2008, 08:15 PM // 20:15

I feel dirty for asking this because I'm more of a PS3 fan, but I just heard that Square is ditching exclusivity for their final fantasy franchise. Does anyone else think that this is only because the PS3 isn't selling enough and SE needs to keep their game open to as many potential buyers?

I have a feeling if Sony doesn't turn their ship around fast, it is going to be sunk. Usually when Square starts jumping ship it's because that ship needs jumping.

MMSDome · Jul 14, 2008, 08:18 PM // 20:18

Sony doesnt need to stick with playstation to keep going. Do you even realize all of what Sony owns? I am sure they can live just fine even if they scrapped Playstation all together.

WinterSnowblind · Jul 14, 2008, 08:22 PM // 20:22

Could be, but generally it's probably because Square want more money. The 360 may not be doing well in Japan, but it has a big fanbase, particularly in the UK and the US. And with all the games Square have been releasing on the 360, it was only a matter of time before the Final Fantasy series made the switch.

It's exactly what happened with the GTA series, no matter how much money Sony gave them to keep it exclusive, they'd make more by making it multiplatform.

Unlucky Slayer · Jul 14, 2008, 08:53 PM // 20:53

They're not switching completely just dual launching. Not a big deal.

I dont really see the big reason why people are so up in arms about it. Unless the 360 suddenly gets a blu ray player their version wont be that great compared.

Unless theres like 10+ DVDs for the game but meh.

Lord Sojar · Jul 14, 2008, 09:53 PM // 21:53

^ The above is true, minus the dual launching part.

It is not happening, it is simply some stupid ass rumor. Just like the big rumor about MGS4 coming for 360. I think not.

And the PS3 is not selling well? Give me the drugs you are on please. The PS3 is selling beautifully. Oh, and considering their sales for FFXIII will be huge in Japan and the 360 is... well getting owned by the PS as usual there, yeh, it's not happening.

Square have been partners with Sony forever. They were initially worried about the underperformance of the PS3 sales. That fear is gone, and the install base is huge, especially in Square's homebase, Japan.

If, and I do mean, IF, Square releases it to the 360, it will be several months after the PS3 version, and it will be inferior graphically, and load times will be hideous (because you cannot make an HDD reliant game for the 360 because MSFT is too cheap to but HDDs in all their "modern" consoles)

The PS3 FFXIII will have installable file of about 3.5-5GBs, which will drastically decrease if not eliminate load times. Sorry to burst your hopeful bubbles, but Sony isn't letting go of one of their biggest selling franchises. That is like Nintendo letting MSFT have Mario, or Zelda. Not gonna happen.

I am sorry you bought a 360 and made fun of the PS3 saying it had no good games, but now that it is getting amazing exclusive titles, did you honestly think your petty crying would magically make the XBX 270 (RRoD only goes around 270 degrees) get those titles.

You have Halo 3. Ohhh! You have Gears of War... wait, PC too with better graphics.. Nevermind.

If you want FFXIII, fork over the money. End of story

EDIT: Let me make one thing clear... I think Wada is a sniveling scum for going against Sony, and Sony is going to punish him for it. If the 360 release isn't mysteriously "delayed" indefinitely, then you can expect whiplash in another form from Sony. Sony will not let this go without a huge fight. Wada made a big mistake by doing this.

Snograt · Jul 14, 2008, 10:22 PM // 22:22

I don't get much time for console games, although I own a PS3, 360 and Wii. I feel dirty for saying this, but I tend to buy most multi-format games on the 360 because, hnnnng, I really dig achievements

There, I said it.

I also prefer XBox live's way of selling you things - a much more easily navigable system, in my opinion. Sure, the PS3 is a helluva better system, but hell, it's all about the whole experience. I still get a kick out of Marios and Zeldas and the whole, awesome experience that is the Wii's Virtual Console.

FlamingMetroid · Jul 14, 2008, 10:41 PM // 22:41

I lol'd
As much as I love console gaming, this generation just plain sucks. The 360 does have a larger library of games, but as Rahja said, its a piece of crap and most of the games it has can be played better on a PC. The PS3 may be super-powerful, but it has a whole no games. You can try to argue against this, but it would just be fanboism. Sure FF13 will be better on PS3 and it already has MGS4(which still only appeals to its narrow audience), but nothing much else they've planned to release(all I can think of is LittleBig Planet) has really wow'd anyone. From what I've seen, most of its sales have been from people tired of looking for a Wii, and took to logical step of upgrading from their PS2. The PS3 and 360 are both rather lackluster in what they have to offer games wise, most of the better games this generation have or are going to be cross-platform. The Wii has been doing great, but only because it opened up a new market, meaning hardcore gamers are left out in the cold. IMHO the best move for a hardcore gamer this generation is to get a nice PC.
As for FF13 specifically, based on playing both PS3 and 360 games in the past, I doubt in would be worth a 360 owner getting a PS3, or vice-versa, to get the full enjoyment out of the game.

Lord Sojar · Jul 14, 2008, 10:42 PM // 22:42

You haven't seen the PSStore I suppose? A PS3 now has trophies (about time Sony copied something from the kings of copying others)

@Flaming: Little Big Planet, Resistance 2, Killzone 2, HOME, God of War III, just to name a few.

360 has what? Gears of War 2? That will come out on PC with better graphics.

Fable 2? ok, there is a decent exclusive...oh wait, PC again. Same as above.

That leaves.....Halo Wars... PC.. oh dear.

I used to have a 360, until MSFT screwed me over royally on my warranty, because my RRoD didn't qualify (it was some other failure). Never again...EVER. Once burned, forever scarred.

FlamingMetroid · Jul 14, 2008, 11:01 PM // 23:01

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@Metroid:

fix'd

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Little Big Planet,

WII OWNER RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGEEEE

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Resistance 2

1st one was 1/2 a step above mediocre, I'm not expecting much

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Killzone 2

1st one was DEFINITION of mediocre, this one will be really pretty definition of mediocre

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HOME

glorified chat-room, ups
but seriously, it probably wont be the selling point for most people

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God of War III

will prolly be Sony's best bet

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just to name a few

moar like all of them amiritegaiz?

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360 has what?

really nothing either, other that a few JRPG's which will polly be later released on the PS3(ei-Eternal Sonata)

So I stand by my "get a good PC" stance

Snograt · Jul 14, 2008, 11:08 PM // 23:08

Tut - we have good PCs. Consoles are great for "switch on and play." Without tweaking, BIOS-upgrading, memory-adding, compatability-incompatabiliteies and all those other things that make being a PC gamer quite a chore at times.

@Rahja - probably about time I fired up the PS3 and see how things have changed. I'm guilty of automatically buying things for the 360 - recently GH3 and Rockband to name but two. I try to kid myself that it's primarily for my kids - heh, but my 11-year-old totally owns me on GH/RB. Lucky he's a total nub at GW

(If you're reading this, Nick - j/k ^^)

big papi · Jul 14, 2008, 11:50 PM // 23:50

FFXIII will launch for both systems on the same day

DarkNecrid · Jul 15, 2008, 12:01 AM // 00:01

You should be looking at every console unless if you are an idiot fanboy who has no RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing clue how in deep shit the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing industry is and is in RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing lala land. No one who is an actual gamer should care about some stupid loyalty to a stupid company who wants your stupid ass money. Look at each of the consoles objectively. They all got good games. They all got bad games. They all got pros. They all got cons. And yet a bunch of immature children go around parading how much their console owns because they're afraid their mommy bought them the wrong one from Christmas, and don't really understand how bad off the industry is right now. Screw the companies, and screw supporting just one. Support them all, support the industry. You do not support something by yelling at each other and bringing everyone down. There was an actual videogame crash in 1983, and the industry has, over the recent years, been reaching dangerous levels of approaching such a crash again. It's a very unstable industry, and it always has been. I don't have a nex-gen console, not because I'm poor, not because I don't want one, but because every generation the people who should be backing the industry are too busy masturbating their console off instead of caring about the actual industry. If they can't get behind the industry and would rather tear themselves apart, why should I care? The gamers obviously don't.

Sorry had to rant, but I really hate the stupid console wars.

FlamingMetroid · Jul 15, 2008, 01:09 AM // 01:09

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

You should be looking at every console unless if you are an idiot fanboy who has no RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing clue how in deep shit the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing industry is and is in RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing lala land. No one who is an actual gamer should care about some stupid loyalty to a stupid company who wants your stupid ass money. Look at each of the consoles objectively. They all got good games. They all got bad games. They all got pros. They all got cons. And yet a bunch of immature children go around parading how much their console owns because they're afraid their mommy bought them the wrong one from Christmas, and don't really understand how bad off the industry is right now. Screw the companies, and screw supporting just one. Support them all, support the industry. You do not support something by yelling at each other and bringing everyone down. There was an actual videogame crash in 1983, and the industry has, over the recent years, been reaching dangerous levels of approaching such a crash again. It's a very unstable industry, and it always has been. I don't have a nex-gen console, not because I'm poor, not because I don't want one, but because every generation the people who should be backing the industry are too busy masturbating their console off instead of caring about the actual industry. If they can't get behind the industry and would rather tear themselves apart, why should I care? The gamers obviously don't.

Sorry had to rant, but I really hate the stupid console wars.

I read:
RRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGEE

Whirlwind · Jul 15, 2008, 01:15 AM // 01:15

Sony already declared the ps3 went to crap, look at how much they are selling them for, they are losing money on ever sale just to get rid of them.

FuzzyDoom · Jul 15, 2008, 02:27 AM // 02:27

First off: Xbox 360 FTW!

Now then, the Xbox will always beat the PS3 until it comes out with something groundbreaking. Also, Rahja, there are a few of your statements that need changing:

Halo Wars is EXCLUSIVELY for the 360. It was made for the 360 from the ground up. Ensemble Studios will not realase it for the PC.

The Xbox DOES outsell the PS3 but the Wii outsells them both. If you had bothered to watch the Microsoft Press Conference on G4 or Youtube (Depending if you have G4 or not) you would've learned that along with the news that FFXIII WILL be coming out for the 360 and the PS3 so it is not a rumor.

And so what if the PS3 has better graphics than the 360? It is also $200 more expensive and has crap games (only a few are worth playing.)

Also, those games that you said would come out for the PC also: What if some of us can't have a good enough PC to play games (like me

)? What if some of us don't want to lag because even if the comp can play the game it can't play it well?

We also can't forget about Xbox Live. The others can't contend with it in any way. I don't know how good it will be with the new updates its getting but I can only hope that its even better than this one.

And, why does Sony have to keep selling its PS2s just to make enough money to even make the PS3s? Both Microsoft and Nintendo dropped the last gen consoles for the new ones and they are still making a profit. I will admit that the PS2 does have many quality games (Okami, FFXII are a few) they shouldn't have to sell their old gen just to pay for the new gen.

All in all it comes down to this:
360 > Wii > PS3

Thank you and good night.

Sora267 · Jul 15, 2008, 02:30 AM // 02:30

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

It is not happening, it is simply some stupid ass rumor. Just like the big rumor about MGS4 coming for 360. I think not.

See this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WZiOS5DMMc

Anyways, at this point, I'd wait to see what Sony has in store for tomorrow's conference.

Lord Sojar · Jul 15, 2008, 03:07 AM // 03:07

It is still a rumor. Sony is either going to stop it dead in its tracks or punish Square for doing this. Sony can play just as evil as MSFT if not more so.

And if you think I like Sony so much, you are wrong. I hated the PS2, and loved the XBOX and Gamecube. I never owned a PS2 until God of War came out. I finally caved and bought one.

Yo Fuzzy... 200 dollars more eh?

Buy an XBOX 360 Pro for 299 now. You will need the 20GB HDD to even compared equally to the PS3. Now subscribe to XBOX live for 50 bucks per year. So 1 year lets say.

You are at 349. Now, go buy yourself a standalone BluRay player, another 400 bucks. You are up to 749. Ok, you wanted wireless Internet on your 360 for media server capability. Drop another 99. So 848 dollars to match what the 40GB PS3 has base level. Yep, Microsoft sure is giving you a great deal.

Crap games eh?

Drakes Fortune, Heavenly Sword (albeit short), Lair (with dualshock control scheme, not SixAxis), MGS4, and the better version of GTA4 and BF: Bad Company. Yep, it is soooo crappy on the PS3. Oh, and Blu Rays, don't forget those crappy blu rays.

You think Halo Wars will be 360 exclusive in the long run? LOL. That 360 and its amazing mouse and keyboard support... oh wait, that is the PS3, never mind.

Whirlwind and Fuzzy. It think you missed why Sony sells the PS3 at a loss. Blu Ray. They won the format war that way. They pulled a brilliant marketing scheme. You actually think they care if they lose money on the PS3? And with the Cell shrink to 45nm and RSX shrink and improvements to 55nm, the PS3 will run quieter and use electricity (which it already runs infinitely quieter then the Xbox 270 jet turbine)

PS Online can't compete with Live? Oh, well I am glad you like PAYING for LAGGED OUT SERVERS with crappy download speeds. Pardon me while I download stuff off PSN at 2-3MBps.

I wouldn't watch the M$FT Press Conference if you paid me to. They are full of shit whenever they talk about any of their products. Microsoft is under Ballmer's full control now. You actually think that hyperactive idiot is going to do well with that company without Gates there? HAHHAAHHAHH! That guy is a class A nutjob.

What good product has MSFT made when compared to other stuff on the market? Windows XP only got decent in the last couple of years. It was garbage well after release. Vista... lol... big businesses are boycotting it for god's sake. The ZUNE 2? Yep! I WANT ONE SO MUCH! Oh wait, the iPhone 3G or iPod touch. Pardon me while I buy one of those instead.

You can say whatever you like about that PS3, but at least Sony makes a product that can run 24/7 and doesn't have a failure rate of 17%.

On the bright side, the 360 makes a great door stop or red lighting accessory to your entertainment center. Just hope you don't mind the electric bill to power the most expensive 270 degree LED lighting display ever.

LOL! And you think Sony has to sell PS2s to be able to even build the PS3? Apparently you don't understand how Sony's corporate umbrella functions, and how IPO transfers work. Sony owns most of the major movie studios. They also now have royalities on all high def disk releases. You think they care about money? Just LOL at that.

Sora267 · Jul 15, 2008, 04:40 AM // 04:40

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It is still a rumor. Sony is either going to stop it dead in its tracks or punish Square for doing this. Sony can play just as evil as MSFT if not more so.

Still a rumor? A Microsoft exec and the CEO of Square Enix, two of the most influential men in the industry and some of the most powerful in their companies, just announced it in front of everyone! And it wouldn't make sense for Sony to "punish" Square Enix, because then they'd just drive them entirely to Microsoft. They'd also look like babies, because FF is owned by Square Enix, and they can do whatever they want with their franchise.

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And if you think I like Sony so much, you are wrong. I hated the PS2, and loved the XBOX and Gamecube. I never owned a PS2 until God of War came out. I finally caved and bought one.

Uhhh.....K. Sounds to me you just have a grudge against Microsoft.

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Buy an XBOX 360 Pro for 299 now. You will need the 20GB HDD to even compared equally to the PS3. Now subscribe to XBOX live for 50 bucks per year. So 1 year lets say.

You are at 349. Now, go buy yourself a standalone BluRay player, another 400 bucks. You are up to 749. Ok, you wanted wireless Internet on your 360 for media server capability. Drop another 99. So 848 dollars to match what the 40GB PS3 has base level. Yep, Microsoft sure is giving you a great deal.

Some people don't WANT a BluRay player. DVDs are still doing fine. As for charging for online, it's simply a superior service, and that's coming from someone who's used both services. And if you want to play the "Who Has The Better Deal" game: Look at the Wii. $250 for wireless internet, a motion sensitive controller superior to the SIXAXIS, and a little lower quality online play. Just grab a BluRay drive for you computer for less than the $400 you'd pay for the standalone player (If you even want BluRay - Again, there's not much difference from DVDs unless you have an HDTV, in which case you'd be able to afford the "ripoff" that you think the 360 is.)

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Crap games eh?

Drakes Fortune, Heavenly Sword (albeit short), Lair (with dualshock control scheme, not SixAxis), MGS4, and the better version of GTA4 and BF: Bad Company. Yep, it is soooo crappy on the PS3. Oh, and Blu Rays, don't forget those crappy blu rays.

GTA4 may have better visuals on the PS3, but the exclusive DLC coming for the 360 makes it better in the long run. And that's all you can say for the PS3? Look at the 360: Halo 3, Gears of War, Gears 2, Fable 2, Forza 2, Halo Wars, a nicer controlling Assassin's Creed, COD4, Fallout 3, Mass Effect, Rock Band 2 timed exclusivity, and more. Don't forget HD-DVD drives on the cheap. Just because it's a failed format doesn't mean you can't pick up existing movies for extremely cheap (Cheaper than DVDs, even) for the drive. Alright, HD-DVD is stretching it, but you seem to be stressing the BluRay capability of the PS3, which most hardcore gamers couldn't care less about.

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You think Halo Wars will be 360 exclusive in the long run? LOL. That 360 and its amazing mouse and keyboard support... oh wait, that is the PS3, never mind.

Are you actually uninformed enough to think that Halo Wars will ever leave 360 or Games For Windows? The Halo IP is OWNED BY MICROSOFT, they're not going to let their biggest competitor have their game unless they get paid a huge lump of the green stuff.

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Whirlwind and Fuzzy. It think you missed why Sony sells the PS3 at a loss. Blu Ray. They won the format war that way. They pulled a brilliant marketing scheme. You actually think they care if they lose money on the PS3? And with the Cell shrink to 45nm and RSX shrink and improvements to 55nm, the PS3 will run quieter and use electricity (which it already runs infinitely quieter then the Xbox 270 jet turbine)

It wasn't because of the PS3 that BluRay won the format war. It's because all the movie studios moved to BluRay. It has nothing to do with the PS3 having BluRay capabilities AT ALL.

And you want to talk hardware? The RROD has been irrelevant since the new chips were released last summer, and the upcoming Jasper model reduce the failure rate to almost zero percent. All of the recent RRODs have been from older systems.

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PS Online can't compete with Live? Oh, well I am glad you like PAYING for LAGGED OUT SERVERS with crappy download speeds. Pardon me while I download stuff off PSN at 2-3MBps.

Actually, download speeds have more to do with your own internet connection. And enjoy having millions less players to play with.

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I wouldn't watch the M$FT Press Conference if you paid me to. They are full of shit whenever they talk about any of their products. Microsoft is under Ballmer's full control now. You actually think that hyperactive idiot is going to do well with that company without Gates there? HAHHAAHHAHH! That guy is a class A nutjob.

God forbid that Microsoft is a company TRYING TO MAKE MONEY BY ADVERTISING THEIR PRODUCT IN A POSITIVE LIGHT! gasp! Oh wait, Sony does that too, so does Nintendo, as does any company who knows the definition of the word 'business'. And yes, Ballmer sucks.

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What good product has MSFT made when compared to other stuff on the market? Windows XP only got decent in the last couple of years. It was garbage well after release. Vista... lol... big businesses are boycotting it for god's sake. The ZUNE 2? Yep! I WANT ONE SO MUCH! Oh wait, the iPhone 3G or iPod touch. Pardon me while I buy one of those instead.

Yep, this just confirms my opinion from earlier. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with gaming WHATSOEVER, nor Sony. More Microsoft hate. And I personally think the iPod > the Zune, but we were talking about gaming...

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You can say whatever you like about that PS3, but at least Sony makes a product that can run 24/7 and doesn't have a failure rate of 17%.

Failure rate: see four (I think?) responses up.

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On the bright side, the 360 makes a great door stop or red lighting accessory to your entertainment center. Just hope you don't mind the electric bill to power the most expensive 270 degree LED lighting display ever.

More unnecessary flaming! Wooo!

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LOL! And you think Sony has to sell PS2s to be able to even build the PS3? Apparently you don't understand how Sony's corporate umbrella functions, and how IPO transfers work. Sony owns most of the major movie studios. They also now have royalities on all high def disk releases. You think they care about money? Just LOL at that.

They don't technically "own" the studios, they're just supported by them. And they DO care about money because they are first and foremost a BUSINESS. But whoever said that they need to sell PS2s to build PS3s is largely uninformed.

To conclude my response, take this as a piece of advice, not as an insult: Get your head out of your a** long enough to realize that just because you had a bad experience with your warranty doesn't mean that they're the reincarnation of Satan, and to realize that Sony isn't the heavenly angel that you seem to believe they are. They're both businesses, and while this doesn't mean they don't care about their customers, they're going to do what makes the most financial sense to themselves and their stockholders.

You're a moderator on this site, and you seem to be fueling the fanboy flame war on this thread more than anyone else on here. Frankly, that's not setting too good of an example...

Lord Sojar · Jul 15, 2008, 06:37 AM // 06:37

I agree, the Jasper is the good system to own. I might pick one up just for Fable 2, GoW2, and Halo Wars.

I am not fueling a fanboy war, because I am not a fanboy as I stated.

I didn't say that Halo Wars is coming to PS3. Read the response. I was insulting the fact they are releasing a complex RTS for use on a controller. I would say the same for Sony in the same case. RTS =/= console game, period.

Wow... BluRay won because the studios moved? Why do you think they moved? Saturation of players and buying patterns. People had the PS3, they bought Blu Rays. Blu Ray outsold HDDVD 2:1, then 3:1, then 4:1, then 5:1 before Toshiba threw in the towel. Intel and Microsoft heavily backed HDDVD.

You are right, I loathe Microsoft. LOATHE THEM. They make inferior products and sell them for outrageous prices. The XBOX 360 should be 149 for the Arcade, 199 for the Pro, and 299 for the elite. None of them have a BLu Ray drive, and they lack media center functionality to the degree the PS3 has.

Face it, MSFT made the inferior console. Why can't people admit that? Sony made the right decision by having the PS3 Cell enabled.

My moderatorship on this site is irrelevant. Ignore the black text....

Sony isn't heavenly, by any means. Personally, Intel, Sony, and MSFT can all burn in the depths of Hell. But! If you want to argue console vs console, there is no context. The 360 is weak system. It uses DVD9 technology for god's sake. How can you defend that?

DVD is an inferior format. Technology has updated, and if you have a 360 and don't have an HDTV, you are missing the better part of many 360 games.

If you have an HDTV without a PS3, you... see my user title....

As for PS3 titles, let's go down your list:

Halo 3, Gears of War, Gears 2, Fable 2, Forza 2, Halo Wars, a nicer controlling Assassin's Creed, COD4, Fallout 3, Mass Effect, Rock Band 2 timed exclusivity, and more.

Halo 3= FAIL, it isn't even 720p. Don't you dare cite Bungie's comment on the matter. They lied to all the idiots, and the idiots believed them. It isn't even HD....

Gears of War= better on PC

Forza 2 = Fail, Gran Turismo is infinitely better, ask any racing sim fan. Forza can't touch GT5. Period.

Fallout 3= Failure of a game, Bethesda screwed that game up. It doesn't even maintain canon. FAIL.

Better controlling assassins creed? Only in some peoples opinion. Better graphics on the PS3 version, and better frame rate.

COD4 = identical on both systems, and best on PC anyways. Another FAIL.

Rockband 2 = Guitar Hero 4.... enough said. Kthx.

Fable 2= probably will be decent, but will be on PC too. So, again, FAIL.

Halo Wars= RTS on console = stupid stupid stupid stupid. It is coming out on PC, and that is where it should be.

Gears 2= Only one you list that will be great on the 360. Granted, it will look better on the PC, but controls on Gears 1 on the 360 were superior. I give you full credit for this one.

But... where is the creative spirit?

Little Big Planet. /winthread

EDIT: You also make a big assumption inferring that I can't afford a 360. lol..... Let's put it this way. The 360 is for high schoolers and undergrads. the PS3 is a big boy and girl toy, made for adults who know what they are investing into. Why buy a console that releases most of their games to PC anyways, with superior controls and graphics (not always controls, but usually) PS3 stuff won't come to PC, so that being said, it is the smarter buy. You own an HDTV, you own a PS3 (if you have any sense) You own a Wii as well, just for the fun. You can pass on the 360, because it lacks uniqueness. It is just a DVD player.

Oh, and you apparently haven't been on PSN in a LONG TIME. It outclasses Live by a longshot now. The private servers SCEA runs for the US are second to none. I never lag on them, EVER. Live lags like crazy on many servers, and has TERRIBLE download speeds. PSN is superior at this point, and it is free.

Anarkii · Jul 15, 2008, 06:57 AM // 06:57

I can feel the NERD RAGE in this thread. To the OP : Go google for several informative articles about the consoles instead of reading the 'lawlawlawl I hate microsoft, they stole my lunchbox' crap here.